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I was somewhat amused at seeing the wheelchair logo in the .com of the forum's logo. Clever.
As a wheelchair user, I have really no big problem with it representing the accessibility of things. However, when we think of it, it really excludes a whole lot of people, to whit, anyone who doesn't have a physical disability or use a wheelchair.
There is more and more of a movement among the disability community to be more inclusive, more cross-disability. There are a lot of people in the blind and low vision community that are a bit upset that "wheelers" took over with the wheelchair as a symbol.
Dan Wilkins wrote a neat bit about it:
http://thenthdegree.com/...
Considering that on the whole, folks with physical disabilities don't have as much of an access problem on the web as other disability types, and that we're mostly focusing on web access, it may pay to revisit this.
Food for thoughts anyway
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Nic
"A community that excludes even one of its members is no community at all" - D.Wilkins
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Point taken, I'd be interested to know what other's feelings are on this and open to suggestions of an alternative symbol that would deliver the same message?
I used the wheelchair because of the global recognition of it's relation to Accessibility.
Cheers,
Nigel
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I can see your point regarding the wheelchair, Nic. The main reason I like the current logo is that it emphasises that accessibility isn't necessarily about visitors who are blind or partially sighted, which is a major assumption made by people when first discovering the topic of accessibility. This relates equally well to the article you've linked to. I enjoyed the article, and would like to see the "A" symbol being used to indicate accessibility. It would work really well on the AccessifyForum logo, as the first letter is an "A".
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I like the idea of the 'A' symbol, however a major problem of using letters for internationally recognised phrases/meanings/symbols is that in some languages the 'equivalent' word for Accessibility may not begin with the letter 'A'.
So this in turn may lead to confusion in non-English speaking countries, resulting in a symbol that is no longer internationally recognisable.
There are already internationally recognised symbols for certain types of disability, for example the ear with the diagonal line running through it...
Perhaps if a new symbol is to be created then we should look at other symbols that are already regonised and then develop the idea from there?
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maybe a naive idea (as i'm basically skipping the whole discussion of "creating a universally recognised symbol for accessibility"), but...wouldn't it be good to tie in the visual appearance of this forum with the main http://www.accessify.com (or at least its default look) ?_________________
Patrick H. Lauke / webmaster / University of Salford
co-lead: WaSP Accesibility Task Force
take it to the streets ... WaSP Street Team
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I think the wheel chair makes the graphic cool more than anything else; I don't think most visitors would read anything into it one way or the other beyond that.
Maybe this site should have an obvious mission statement in the form of a brief 3-4 sentence paragraph which can appear at the top of the main page. Obviously, people with physical disabilities need some accomodation, but accessibility also means accomodating older visual browsers, newer hand held thingies, and other ways to access the web. These other aspects apply to the "non-disabled" population.
There was a post in another thread here where it was stated that a wheel chair was a tool to make the world more accessible rather than something that symbolized a limitation.
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The symbol can be used to relate what type of content is on your site. Example the symbol is used to mark the parking spaces design for people with disabilities.
But instead of using the wheelchair symbol to show that your site is accessiblie, use Bobby.
Anyways, be a designer and come up with your own logo.
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| dunlap-101 wrote: |
| But instead of using the wheelchair symbol to show that your site is accessiblie, use Bobby. |
excuse me while i fall off my chair laughing...
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co-lead: WaSP Accesibility Task Force
take it to the streets ... WaSP Street Team
personal: splintered | photographia | redux
co-author: Web Accessibility - Web Standards and Regulatory Compliance
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| redux wrote: | ||
excuse me while i fall off my chair laughing... |
I will briefly depart from my lurker status to agree with that sentiment. Quality!
Surely dunlap-101 is taking the proverbial?
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Also I can understand the sentiment......I certainly cannot think of a better international symbol. In Germany we have a yellow background with 3 balcj dots making a triangle that is a mark to show the wearer as Blind or partially sighted. But how international that is I am not aware.
So due to lack of a better symbol I would have to stay with what we have as a clearly denoteable International symbol. Otherwise we need to add a whole line of symbols after it to cover other possibilities:
*EN crossed our for non-english accessibility
*IE Crossed out to show support of browsers other than IE
*A stick figure with a seeing eye dog for the visually impaired
*Wheelchair for physically impaired
*spiral for epileptics
*accessify spelled backwards for dyslexics
*Stick figure with a cane for the elderly
*Tall triangle (Dunce cap) to represent the simply stupid / incompotent *grin*
etc etc etc
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<irrelevant>Three dots in a triangle is the Swedish symbol for deaf ('döv', 3 letters). The symbol for blind is 5 dots in a horizontal row ('blind', 5 letters).</irrelevant>_________________
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I like it as it is 
simple, effective, conveys the meaning of the site.
BTW welcome to the site dunlap-101, don't take it personally but all the folks here are pretty much Booby resiliant, as you will see from other posts.
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| Mikea wrote: |
| BTW welcome to the site dunlap-101, don't take it personally but all the folks here are pretty much Booby resiliant, as you will see from other posts. |
Nice one, Mikea. Come on guys, dunlap-101 makes his/her first post and is ridiculed
. This is NOT what we are about here.
Cheers
Kevin
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| KLewis wrote: | ||
Nice one, Mikea. Come on guys, dunlap-101 makes his/her first post and is ridiculed . This is NOT what we are about here.
Cheers Kevin |
At 23.23hrs last night I really did think dunlap-101 was being sarcastic and that I was partaking in the joke. Upon reading the post again this morning I realise that I may have been wrong. Apologies.
Back to lurking for me then
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| KLewis wrote: |
| Nice one, Mikea. Come on guys, dunlap-101 makes his/her first post and is ridiculed . This is NOT what we are about here. |
fair enough...i forget that my particular brand of brashness is an acquired taste...
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co-lead: WaSP Accesibility Task Force
take it to the streets ... WaSP Street Team
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co-author: Web Accessibility - Web Standards and Regulatory Compliance
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