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We've got a project on the go at the moment that'll require a simple rich-text editing environment. We're not going to be able to use a plugin (sorry xStandard) so we're going to have to go for a pure-JS solution on the front end. How would people do this and still make it accessible? Priority 6.3 of WCAG1.0 says the page still has to be usable when scripting is turned off so do you think it's reasonable for page to degrade to a standard textarea into which the users can enter simple HTML (e.g. h*, p, strong, em, etc)?_________________
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That sounds reasonable to me.
I think FCK is a javascript editor which sits on top of a standard textarea in a html form:
http://www.fckeditor.net/
I've played around a little bit with it, quite a long time ago, but never tried using it in practice.
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Jim O'Donnell
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pet peeve of mine:
so people without javascript are required to learn HTML then?
but basically so long as the wysiwyg is an enhancemnet, then there is no problem. The default will be a textarea that users can edit.
Now can you find a wysiwyg editor that produces good clean code
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| so people without javascript are required to learn HTML then? |
I don't like it any more that you do
Luckily in this case the set of all users is actually going to be fairly small so tuition might be a possibility, and the set of HTML elements that are going to be allowed is probably going to be very limited (at a guess h1-6, hr, p, strong, em, a).
EatYourGreens: yep, seen that before. We'll probably end up implementing our own though as tends to happen in these cases.
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| Now can you find a wysiwyg editor that produces good clean code |
From what I've heard, xStandard is what you want! The trouble is most RTE environments out there a simply a Javascript wrapper around contentEditable which is notorious for producing awful code. The other options are a Java applet or Flash swf, or a dedicated plugin like xStandard.
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| elfin wrote: |
| pet peeve of mine:
so people without javascript are required to learn HTML then? |
you could offer an alternative where they can write textile, for instance...
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Thanks redux, that's a good point and I'll bring it up. Although considering the restrictions on HTML we'll be having it might be 6 of one, half a dozen of the other._________________
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you could offer an alternative where they can write textile, for instance... |
LOL thats why I constructed the toolbar over on Quirm.net a sort of halfway house.
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You could look at Xinha - FCK has been getting a lot of support recently. I would still suggest you hook HTML tidy in behind it though._________________
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Thanks Richard, I haven't seen Xinha before like FCK it looks massively overkill for the project we're working on Stiil, useful for future reference. Oh, and of course HTML Tidy would be used in the backend._________________
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I personally use the .NET version of FCK Editor and I think it does the job. I always use several javascript config files in the background so I can have multiple FCK editors displayed in different pages with different set of features depending on the needs of the user.
As far as accessibility goes, you can tab into the text area and tab out, so as long as you don't require the user to use the editor's formatting features, this is acceptable isn't it?
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Kieron McIntyre
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